"Additionally, the point I am trying to make is that CL can not claim to be ignorant of Victoria. I don't know of many of us that use posette in p4 as a standard model." considering the politics between daz & cl right now they probably couldn't consider vicky and her mil pals. Though I think Judy is 1000 times better than posette. posette really disappointed me when I got p4. Judy may not have as many morphs but she is fully articulate and very pretty to me. I bought bryce 5 after getting this system I have now. So it ran much faster than Bryce 4 :) (note here: I was running b4 on a p2 350, it froze, I got a new puter) However I would like to point out the work it takes to get poser characters to look good in bryce, a lot. Ever seen vicky put straight in to bryce? talk about alien, it can take hours to fix a texture(thank you castironflamingo for saving us time) and if you want to see a bad upgrade(not too bad I was still in school when b5 came out so I got it very cheap) Corel literally painted a new color on the interface, slapped on a little tree maker and called it good. Otherwise...it really is not much different than b4. Poser5 is loads above p4 in my opinion. She takes a little more work to learn and use, shrug, people have very little paitents. Dave-so is comendible, he may gripe, everyone is allowed to, but he is trying, many just gripe and gripe with out trying to help themselves. System vs application debate: I think this got miscontrude(sp) In the tech support biz, when you start out you always start with the system, then to known problems(depending on provided info), then to what the user is doing, then to messing around in the application. May drive people crazy but you have to check off the foundation before moving upstairs. So the first thing you ask with ANY type of computer problem with ANY one is what kind of computer do you have?

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