Honestly, it doesn't matter where the models come from, or where the textures came from, or etc. I believe OTOH that the renderer should decide which gallery an image should be posted, IMHO. Let's admit it - everyone drops an image off in the Poser gallery because that's where the eyeballs are. I'm serious here... that's the reason why everyone has IMVHO squirming and fudging about with the definition of what makes a Poser render, myself included. This has nothing to do with the dreaded "what is art?" question, or "a beautiful thing takes a blend of tools..." No. It's a basic, venal instinct to put our work up where it is most likely to get seen. Anyone that says otherwise is lying either to all of us, themselves, or both. I freely admit it myself... it doesn't matter if the image was rendered in Bryce, or post-worked in Photoshop to the point where you would swear on a stack of Bibles that someone just scanned in a print (remember Tisa's entries? More on that in a second.) In short, as long as there's a Poser figure in there somewhere, by ghod we're gonna call it a Poser image and stick it in the Poser gallery, period. I suspect that this is why we have the problem of so many images all piled up in there. Everyone remember Tisa? She posted what were esentially heavily modified photographs with only the barest hint of Poser in it, if indeed one could ever hope to find it. World + dog jumped on her for posting it all in the Poser gallery, didn't they? (let's face it, if that was indeed a straight-up Poser render/Photoshop post-work job, it was a kick-ass top-notch effort...) If memory serves, everyone felt all smug for pounding all over her for daring to call her results a Poser render, and many used the argument that it was not truly a Poser image. Now? The argument changes... go figure. c'mon, guys... if there's going to be a standard, it has to apply to everyone. While there is no set threshold for what is and isn't enough post-work to qualify for mixed media, there can certainly be a set standard for what renderer was used to complete the image, yes? Let's use that as our guide, and call it good. /P