thanks all for the suggestions! It looks like it's time to go back to work on this. another question, though: there are about 7 or 8 diffrent textures applied to leaves. if I select all the trees, and edit them in the tree lab(to change the leaf shape) will the textures remain as they are, or will I have to start over(I may do that anyway, so I can do the 2D face thing) thanks, big_hoovie