One thing for sure if Vue and Bryce had been available since Bryce 1 was made we would not even be having this discussion. Bryce would have long since disappeared, The only reason it got so popular in the first place (Bryce)is it was the only program available at one time for a reasonable price that could do a decent render. It was easier to learn than the text based POV Ray. The next version from Coral will be interesting in that they will eather fix it up properly and make it work or it will die and go to software heaven. It will be the first version that Coral will be completly be in control in making. They have a hell of a lot of catching up to do, and I personally don't think they can catch up. They'll have to draw the line somewhere on features and price and I don't think they'll do it.The program will end up being too expensive. There is just so much competition out there right now. Everyone makes a ray tracing program. Time to brake out the climbing gear cause that mountain is growing. I wish them luck. I think Metacreations realized that they could not continue developing Bryce without a fundimental change in direction and that direction was a very expensive road. They dumped it when the time was right. Coral just has yet to realize that.