SimonWM: So show me a side-by-side comparison of the same textured object rendered with P4 and firefly. This is not a question of "experience" with poser 5 - it either renders textures faithfully or it does not!. I doubt your claim very seriously, and I don't think you have even compared the two render engines when all other factors are equal. Nice idea Poppi, but many of the really cool features of Poser 5 and especially flowing clothing, colision detection, and wind-blown effects can ONLY be rendered within Poser 5, so what good are they if textures look like crap? I have seen better texture renders in cheap, down-and-dirty realtime animation 3D game engines running 1024x768 virtual worlds at 60fps than in Firefly (taking several minutes per frame at 500x500). It isn't difficult to find a renderer that can handle detailed textures better than Firefly, but it would be hard to find one that is any worse at it!