reiss: Thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. I have not looked at the individual object setting admiteddly, but I believe they all defualt to 0.2 if I'm not mistaken. SO I'm not real hopeful. But I have to agree with Ron, and others ... can YOU (or anyone) please post a render of a non-FUBAR'd texture-map rendering using FireFly? Not just a challenge ... but I really want to know if it can even be done. Where is Curious Labs (Anthony/Nosfiratu, and the other CL tech-heads) in all this? -Tim