ron, yeah I hear ya! There's a little too much opinions being offered about some P5 stuff without examples (even by people who don't have p5!) honestly the settings that I passed on were given to me by the people at CL, so I didn't know that in the default prod settings texture filtering/smoothing was already turned off. Although I didn't see in your posts above if you had checked the shading samples on the individual objects in the scene. Honestly, I think this thread is fantastic, especially the side-by-side renders, and herr's texture test. I don't doubt that we're seeing a problem with the P5 renderer. the nice thing is that all the guys at CL care a lot about the product, and it's threads like this (with real information!) that are going to really help them track down the items to put into upcoming patches. It's not my place to praise peoples efforts, but I got to say I'm really applauding all the work/testing being put into this thread. I think it's efforts like this that will really help to track down the problems, and make P5 all it can be. cheers, -J