"What I don't understand, and I hope someone can explain, is why any business would expect its users to pay for software and beta test it." why? because it works! because it saves money and time for real beta testing and gives an impression as if the company cares about it users. but this time it's gone too far. it must be the buggyest software release ever. i've been using poser since release 3 and spent literally thousands of bucks on it and various content, so the price for an update didn't hurt me that much - relatively speaking. it was more the attitude of cl that annoys me. i'd gladly have waited for another 6 months, and payed according price, for what everyone expects an new version to be: faster, better and more stable. it's none of it. funny thing is, that this six-months-mark will be here none-the-less when p5 runs as expected after sr7 or sr8... to me it seems that the marketing stuff at cl (or egisys) got confused. they didn't know where to place the product: at hobby market (ridiculous mickey-mouse-interface - trying to imitate analogue tools) or professional markt (relatively powerful, though unfinnished materials and render settings, something studio max had years ago). yet they missed to implement modern hybrid-scanline renderer, not to speak about global illumination, plug-ins for hosting poser files in other applications or plug-in system with free sdk.