I just don't have the patience to deal with the problems that are occurring with P5. I have a friend who bought it and she hasn't been able to get one render from it so far. Just last night I read a thread in which someone pointed out that the highest resolution in Firefly was far inferior to the P4 render setting and proved it with example renders. I've seen far too many thread complaining with only a tiny handful of satisfied customers coming in to those complaint threads to argue in favor of the program. I remember when P4 first came out. There were complaints about it. No one could figure out the magnets, get the spotlight to work right, understand transparency, etc. But I've never seen complaints and gripes as strongly worded about any version of Poser as I have with this new release. It only makes me glad I haven't bought it yet. thgeisel, I think you're one of the few lucky ones who has had no problems, but most of my life has been governed by Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. I know that I would be joining that "frustration club" with the rest of them. I find it sad that a company can do itself so much harm by producing such an inferior product. Granted, MetaCreations had lousy customer service, but at least their products worked for the most part. It's unfortunate, they gave this up. I'll be there in the P4 bleachers with Visque and the others until CL does something about this fiasco. In some ways, I feel badly for CL as well, because of what they've done to themselves. Just imagine how many more sales they would have made if they had put more thought into what they were doing. Melanie