I think it's unfortunate that there has to be patchs at all. Why couldn't the product be workable from the start? It doesn't speak well for a company. When I buy a General Electric appliance, I expect it to work correctly when I plug it in. I don't expect to wait for an attachment to come so I can use it. Likewise, with any software company, they would do better business if they test things properly before lettng it loose to the world. Why in Heaven didn't they discover these flaws during beta testing? I have a hard time believing that the beta testers all had no problems with it. I have to wonder if they didn't let enough people with different kinds of computers test it. A few years ago, I beta tested Rhino and was among thousands of beta testers. How many people actually tested Poser 5? There was never even a call for beta testers, was there? I never heard of one. I suspect beta testing might have been done by invitation only with a small, select group of Poser elites. Beta testing should have gone public. Melanie