Winzip. Paint Shop Pro. Rhinoceros (McNeel) and a multitude of other programs from small production houses that are perfectly stable and almost completely error free.>> Questor Paint Shop Pro and Winzip are not 3D application, they are much simpler pieces of software and Rhino had an extensive public beta period, perhaps a good idea for Poser 5 but I don't think Curiouslabs financial situation would have allowed them to go in that direction. It would be fantastic if every company could do it like McNeil did with Rhino. Visque, I would never dare to post about software I have never own and experienced by myself but that's just me. I also bought Humanoid and at the time it was a wonderful application, nothing could stand besides it when it was first released, of course today its totally obsolete, but I used Humanoid with 3D Studio DOS and don't know how you can badmouth the great grandfather of Poser which I must have never read a bad review at that time. With the hardware of the times it performed wonderful and did as advertised. Now I have said my pace, I'm not going to become Curious Labs lawyer, my purpose in coming to these forums is not that but to learn how to use the software from more experienced users and help other with what I learn.