Nice teamwork everybody - just goes to show what we can accomplish when we put the egos aside and focus on the problem. Turtle -I think it is safe to say that SR2 will handle this situation, so when it comes out, the default settings for the Firefly "draft" and "production" modes should behave as intended and suffice for 95% of most rendering needs. In other respects it really is a nice renderer and handles lighting and shadows beautifully (even without ray tracing) - the tradeoff is TIME. Firefly renders will always be slower than p4 renders, but Firefly can do so much more and with greater precision (after SR2). I'm still glad that they included the P4 renderer because that will be MY "DRAFT" renderer because it is so fast. Then I will use Firefly's "draft" setting as MY "low-res production" setting, and Firefly's "production" setting as my "High-res production" setting. Having 3 different presets will really speed things up for a content creator or artist. As for ray tracing, I'll probably only use that if my scene has elements that actually would benefit from it (like reflections, caustics, lacy shadow details, etc). Now if we could solve the problem of duplicated magnets...