Beta testing? Nope. It is unfortunate that there seems to be a compatability bug causing problems for a number of people, but the reality is that for many of us Poser5 is working well. While there are bugs, and it could have been more stable for more people the implicaiton that the software was shipped with the critical crashes known is simply false... this was not dumped out there and left for the users to clean up. Obviously CL knew about some bugs before the shipped, but I have fairly good information that there were no unknown crashes or "show stopper" bugs common during the beta test. In other words, the bug first manifests itself "in the wild". Me? I am happy to help some, but I am a little tired of the endless screaming and complaining. There are bugs and as another thread showed working together to find them and identify them will help get them fixed. But what the other thread ALSO showed was that many people have no interest or urge to learn anything. They expected to jump into a fairly modern render engine without taking any time to understand it or the options and "hit the button" and get the result they wanted. It simply won't happen that way. Moderately powerful renderers need to be tweaked. There are a LOT of settings that effect render quality and speed... and many of them are dependant on the scene you are rendering. But >some< of the people screaming (not all, some) don't want to hear it ... and it is getting old. You want help? Cool. Many of us will be happy to help. Youw ant to start a new thread every day ranting? Fine by me... but eventually people will ignore you.