I read both. Neither soulhuntre nor jcleaver stated they were beta testers. Are you sure you read them? Soulhuntre - "Obviously CL knew about some bugs before the shipped, but I have fairly good information that there were no unknown crashes or "show stopper" bugs common during the beta test." Nothing in that says he was a tester. Nothing skipped either, it was read and understood for what he was saying. Jcleaver - "FWIW, I distinctly remember a post by Steve Cooper that stated there weren't any show-stopper bugs that they were aware of until after it was released. " I read the same posts she did, we obviously came away with different impressions - however, she stated in her reccollection. No probs with that. "but I know you're opinions keep you from thinking the pres is speaking the truth " And I can see that yours keep you from thinking. Soulhuntre at least has a tendency I respect a great deal - he reads, thinks, and tends to document his thoughts where he can.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

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