Just so you've got the whole picture LonRanger there are NO programs that are working with Poser 5. I have Lightwave and use it with Poser 4 Propack and it is an excellent combination. My Vue 4 arrived last Friday and am waiting for my serial number to come for the Mover plug in, and expect similar results between Vue and Poser 4 as I get with with Lightwave and Poser 4. You will not, at this time, find any program that will work properly with Poser 5. (Still isn't really working properly on it's own yet as I understand it.) Dollar for dollar, if it's animation that you want to play with I seriously doubt that you will have the freedom that Poser 4 and Vue should provide. That is unless you wish to invest more money into a higher end app and be willing to invest serious time into learning it. Check out what Phillipe is doing with these programs before deciding, it's really good. And he's right about Poser 5. I also bought it because it was a good deal to upgrade from Poser 4/propack, but will not install it until I know that it won't smoke my system. I do trust them completely to get it right, but it may take a little time.