it's hard to believe that 80 + bugs that were detected only weeks after the release weren't spot by beta testers before. either there were really not enough of you doing the job (and that means that cl wanted to do de-facto public beta test), or there were enough of beta testers involved, but cl didn't want to fix the bugs (and that means knowingly releasing faulty product). - four weeks after the release came sr1 - problems with downloads and cl's isp - problems with sr1 - sr1.1 released - four weeks later comes sr2 now that doesn't make one thinks that cl handles all this very professionally... soulhuntre, would you still have the same opinion if you had to install p5 & patch half a dozen times, get bsod every now and then and had problems to register?