no prob, didn't take the "match" statement towards me :) "I think you are taking my comments too personally. Review the threads again and you will notice a trend that it is generally stated that it is the fault of nearly everything but Poser, including user error, that is the underlying cause of the issues." I guess that's my point, please take a look back through the thread and you'll see that people have been posting that they have no problems with poser in some cases but they're not implying that this means it's not Poser's fault. It means that they're saying CL probably had the same OK results that they have, and did not see these problems until the wide release. Now that CL's seeing them, they're fixing them.