Thank you Guitta for the exposure, I had so much fun making that image for the contest and feel very fortunate to have won with all the great competition. It looks like the Vue forum is filled with helpfull people just like the C4D forum. I'm sure that the software will become an invaluable addition to my 3D lineup. Thank you to all the others who had helpfull hints. Lutz, I have researched Xfrog a while ago but was similiarly dissappointed to find that it is only available for the PC (I have a MAC).