Thanks for all the comments. :-) I slept on it, and still am not going to buy her, for now. I'm ticked that when/if there are enough morphs of the right kind to make her useful to me, I'll likely have to spend $100 for her rather than $60. However, at this point, I'd rather wait and pay more, than pay $60 and never use her. We've all become used to the look of the P3 and P4 models as the "default". If we don't like the default, we can adjust her to the look we want. For my Gwen character, there are a lot of morphs used, but many are just slight adjustments for fine tuning. Victoria is a very distinct look, nothing generic or default. If you want to convert your own P4 characters to the Victoria model, for the higher poly count and greater expressiveness, it's now much more complicated than just duplicating the morphs you used before. You have to get morphs that will "undo" 80% of Victoria's "distinctiveness", then morph her into something close to what you had before. I guess if Victoria as is, is closer to the look you've been wanting for your characters, she is a plus. For people who don't bother with using custom MTs, she isn't very generic or "pleasing on the eye". For character creators, she represents A LOT of extra work. I would buy, instantly, another figure from Zygote that had the high polys and facial expression morphs of Victoria, the fixed joints, etc... with the P4 Nude Fem default morphs included, that looked almost exactly like the P3 and P4 figures. Since Cindy brought up cars :-) I liken Victoria to this: What if Mitsubishi introduced the 2001 Eclipse. It had greater horsepower, better milage, improved anti-lock brakes and suspension. It integrated voice web and navigation center at hardly any premium. In every way was better technology, BUT they changed the design so it now resembled a '79 Ford Pinto? To me, that's what Zygote did here... :-) Fiontar