You said that you were curious - I assumed that you wanted information... I thought we were providing that shrug. Anyway, to answer your original question, I guess the answer is a few reasons... 1. as Maclean eluded to - most people don't know what normals are, or that Poser doesn't need them or how to (correctly/safely) get rid of them. 2. other apps use them. 3. aside from the un-compressed disk file size, it doesn't always buy you that much (and even then a large flat plane with hundreds of vertices may only have ONE (shared) normal, so it's not always a 1-to-1 ratio). ...#2 can be solved by simply exporting the model from Poser to get the normals, although there are some cases where you might have supplied non-standard normals (normals tuned to affect the appearance of the model in some way). Cheers, - Keith

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