Careful, Eric... Dan Farr is a member of this Forum. Comparing him to Bill Gates (a rabid control freak, illegal predator, and paranoid monopolist are among the polite things I can say) is probably a violation of the TOS. Also remember that DAZ has a very restrictive license concerning their own models... and just last June this Forum was up in flames over our fears about what legally could and could not be created based upon, derived from, or designed for these models. And there was that flare up in April.... And February, something in February, but I'd have to look it up. If DAZ wants to protect Michael and Curious Labs wants to protect Don, what is the difference? Neither company is the glowy white sheep or the gritty black. I see a whole lot of grey wool, and I see a couple of concerned shepherds worried about the wolves on the hillside. If the shepherds are trying to get better pasteurage for their sheep, or more value for the wool, or more loyal customers, well that is just good business. If rocks get thrown by the sympathisers, OTOH, that is just plain wrong. Carolly