I think that's an awesome picture, Tuttle, but your pessimism is misplaced! We've all seen and made hundreds of beautiful photo-realistic scenes and landscapes in Bryce...! No offense intended, but NEVER is like FOREVER. It's Renderosity, not Nebulosity! But out of curiosity, what kind of machine are you using, Clyde? Tuttle? I'm not sure if comparing render times will make us better artists, but it'd be nice to know what hardware is most effective. My own benchmarks starring a score of constructs have shown me that network rendering is the way to go. I've got my 1hr39min Pentium 3/600 benchmark scene down to 22 min, and that's just with two AMD 1.2's attached. Maybe I'll post the data... The other cold, hard fact: A 64MB DDR Geforce 2 shaved off a whopping 40 seconds! (cackles) Thanks, NVidia, for everything! My point is, it should never take DAYS to render! Call up some buddies, make them drop of their machines for a night. You only need Bryce 5 on one machine, anyway... (I always stash Lightning on Other People's Hard Drives)