HEHE...yeah I learned not to open my mouth about trying something unless I am SURE I can do it..hehehe... I'm definitely going to practice that shape though..I do want to figure that out. I want to make it with some depth the way Rosh (you don't mind I calls ya that do ya?) does on his. It gives it a bit more realism than just extruding ya know? PAN~ federation-21.com