Umm, well, the 17th October at midnight is the very first instant on the 17th October. Had I meant October 18th at midnight, I would have had to say 'just under 4 days' -- you forgot this part: 'by _dodger on 10/14/02 01:07'. You might argue that this requires math, but it's by no means vague. I do like and appreciate the pic, though. I'm getting the impression that those Aurra-sing style topknots go well with my props B^) And so you know, the Scarecrow is only $14.99, and will be 15% off on Hallowe'en (The sale starts on October 31st and runs until November 1st, and to be honest, I don't know exactly what Renderosity's system means by that so I can't say whether it runs 1 or 2 days -- it's either over at the stroke of midnight on 1 nov, or on 2 nov, I'd guess -- and in US central time, Tennessee. I will, however, set you up with the password for the Awl Pike and Posable Pretzel in a bit, Mrs. Fish! (I know, consolation prizes are never the biggest thing, but it's better than 'the home version of the game' P^)