kblade: If they didn't reuse code, then the coders rewrote multiplying magnets, the same lousy memory management, and many other P4 problems. No matter though, it still isn't what was promised. Outdated interface=out of sheer laziness or ineptness, keeping the old P4 interface and not using the Windows api. Yes, I know the bugs are only part of the story, I was just responding to your first response to my response to you :) I don't know how much "inside information" Jack has but his story--to me--appears to mirror what's happened to Poser and CL.