Damn, goalposts as well? ;) Clyde, there's nothing in that photo than you couldn't produce in Bryce, and with MUCH better clarity if you use the higher render settings (64 r/p+). That image is not particularly clear IMO. Given patience (and the daddy of all computers) you could model and render that whole scene in Bryce. Trouble is, of course, you're looking at what? - 20,000 objects, 2,000 light sources? so it would be the work of many, many months to accomplish. I reckon to do all that you'd need 1-2Gb memory, and a very fast CPU and a good few weeks' render time, but there's no reason at all why it couldn't be done. I'd certainly rather attempt that than a realistic outdoor scene (which is what we were talking about, isn't it?) ;)