Frankly I'm fed up with the CL/Daz wrangling. If I hadn't found the Mike figure, I'd use Poser rarely. Mike and Vicky provided a BIG boost to the Poser product. There are more cloths, hair, morphs, textures for Mike and Vicky than was ever dreamed of by CL when they released Poser. The community here has made Poser one of the prime 3D products, in large part based on Mike and Vicky. I know there are other products out there besides Daz's. However, I've never seen an alternative to Mike. CL has never provided a figure anywhere near as useful as Mike and Vicky. Taking all this into consideration, you'd think that Daz and CL could come to some agreement on standards. CL is shooting itself in the foot over this one, and Daz should be working on P5 friendly products in spite of the EULA. It took Phil C to provide us with a free skullcap for Mike and Vicky. Daz should have released free ones the same day P5 shipped. There is a sorry lack of P5 products available. Why? Because of the EULA, because the two most popular figures aren't fully supported, and because no one wants to enter the fray. There are less than a dozen P5 products on sale here in the marketplace. Most of them are the great hair packages from Neftis. I spend about $100 a week on Poser related products, a good part of it at Daz. I belong to every subscription site I can find. I check free stuff on 5 sites twice a day (maybe I should get a life). I read the forums and try to make intelligent comments. I put up with bugs and buggy sites. I'd gladly give $100 to a fund to get Mike and Vicky P5 compatible, I'd give $200 to see CL and Daz behave like adults and realize that they need each other. CL provides no extra content, Daz doesn't have a Poser-like program for sale. Daz will eventually come out with a Poser-like product. If they're smart, they'll include P5 compatibility. However, I haven't heard of a release date yet. I don't know what features this vaporware will have. It may be wonderful. Right now though, I've got P5 and use Mike. There are 7 tabs on the P5 interface. One of them has been saying "coming soon" since I got it, the other is useless to me since Don is so inadequit. I love the products both companies make. But sometimes I just want to take Kupa and whoever is in charge at Daz, spank them and sit them in a corner with no milk and cookies until they learn to get along.