Orio, I agree with everything you've said. However, your analogy between Photoshop plug in software and Poser isn't quite right. CL doesn't provide what Daz does, quality high res versatile figures. They don't have hundreds of body textures, pose sets, clothing, morphs for their products. I wish CL did. I'd buy them. I'd buy the third party stuff made for them. But I'll be d*mned if I spend money on the Dork or Don in their present limited state. I had hopes for Don and Judy. But they ain't Mike and Vicky by a long shot. Yes, they can be made to look acceptable, barely. But compared to Mike they're nothing. CL can't even get Content Paradise up a month after P5 shipped, so I don't expect them to start releasing good figures in the near future. And it would be great if CL opened Content Paradise next week with a set of great new high res figures and textures and cloths and hair. However, since we expect there to be a SR-3 sometime, I think they're concentrating on that for a while. Also we've got a LOT of money invested in Daz products. There's going to be a Daz legacy in Poser for a long time, and CL should recognize this. As for Daz, I see things here about their new program. Great. When? What will it do? How much will it cost? I think it'd be a great boon to have another - compatible - posing product. I'll buy it when it comes out. Someday. I've seen no specs, no teases, no renders, no list of features. If its going to be released before Christmas, great. If not, then Daz should support the current P5 product in terms of Mike and Vicky. They should sell some dynamic clothing and P5 hair to support all of Daz's customers on the P5 platform. I love the new Platinum Club. I'd love it more if they included skullcaps for Mike and Vicky. Right now I watch two great companies that have a duty to their investors, not to mention their customers, behaving like kindergarten students. Frankly, I wouldn't buy stock in either company right now (I'm not even sure you can). Unless Daz comes out with a P5 equivalent product soon, or CL starts making acceptable meshes, they should come to a compromise and realize that for at least the short term, they need each other. They both suffer because of this, and so do we. They should both be ashamed of themselves.