"Also we've got a LOT of money invested in Daz products." It is for this very reason that if DAZ jumps out of the gate soon with their software they will have a huge advantage unless of course, like Orio has speculated, CL is sitting on an exciting array of content paradise to be released with a bang. If Don and Judy are any indication of what awaits though, then DAZ would have the clear advantage, but time is of the essence here. A stable, bug free product released from DAZ soon, that adresses most issues seen here in this forum, would be a serious blow to CL at this point.