So, Artist3D has been screaming, whining, and bitching all over the boards everyday about P5 not working with Mike and Vicki... and now comes across as a DAZ employee? I hope not! Most of their people have better manners and morals than that! Those of you who hope to see a DAZ application to replace Poser need to remember one thing. DAZ makes and sells content, and they do a darned good job of it. That is a very different procedure from developing an application of any sort, much less one of this scope. I am a developer with 15 years experience and I would not choose DAZ over CL on the strength of their fantastic customer service... not when we are talking about a software product. Sheesh! Sorry, folks, even if they reverse engineer it, they still have never developed an application from scratch, even if they buy most of the technology, they still have never assembled and integrated a working application. They will have to build it themselves, by a different route, even if they see what others have done. We aren't talking about friendly phone service, we are talking about imaginative approaches to the technology. Common sense has to bubble to the surface sometime. Some of you might remember Poser 1. Carolly