"Artist3D has been screaming, whining, and bitching all over the boards everyday about P5 not working with Mike and Vicki... and now comes across as a DAZ employee? I hope not! Most of their people have better manners and morals than that!" Personally I think he has a right to air his opinions just as I remember a certain someone had the right to leverage their opinion in this forum about CL honouring an upgrade to P5 from magazine issued software. I remember much ranting and raving in that string about CL. Do you remember that one? It seemed to work out some how for the best. Sometimes it helps to vent your frustration in these forums. Clearly the software isn't working for everyone. I for one understand his frustration all too well! I think Jim is just optimistic that DAZ will answer his software prayers and thats not a bad thing!