Lapis I don't believe that CL themselves have any control over the Renderosity forums. There may be some justification for moving the thread away from the Poser forum. On the other hand, some of the moderators have sometimes shown themselves to be a bit over-zealous in their support for what they perceive are CL's best interests. Also bear in mind some rumours that have been floating regarding the possibility of R'osity buying Poser or CL. Bill