"So, Artist3D has been screaming, whining, and bitching all over the boards everyday about P5 not working with Mike and Vicki... and now comes across as a DAZ employee? I hope not! Most of their people have better manners and morals than that!" Heh, apparently you didn't read The Thread That Never Ends over at PoserPros, where Daz bigwigs made a fuss over the restrictions in the P5 EULA, supposedly due to their concern over the rights of content creators, only to admit later that they were only interested in its effect on the upcoming program (which is quite obviously what it was aimed at). Pfft, some manners. They've been doing everything they can to undermine Poser 5. Of course, considering what a piece of shit it's turned out to be, that doesn't take much...(who else has to patch their patches?!?) As far as getting CL and Daz to play nice, dream on. Once they needed each other, but now they are merely competitors. You might as well expect McDonald's and Burger King to join up. Ain't gonna happen, kids. This is just the beginning of what will most likely prove to be a particularly nasty corporate war. And frankly, I don't know who the hell to root for...