I'm largely ignoring the politics issue between CL and DAZ - I've missed most (if not all) of the relevant info and to be honest it's irrelevant to me (or rather, it OUGHT to be!). What I want is good stuff priced fairly - be it programs, models, textures, frozen chicken or what-have-you. While I can understand a little nervousness at other people understanding and using your proprietary file formats, don't CL owe a rather huge debt (morally) to the .OBJ file format themselves? This all smells far too much like the Bill Gates/Steve Jobs issues of years gone by (Xerox seemingly having designed huge chunks of what the two quarrelled about in the 80's IIRC). I say stop the fighting and find a middle ground - work together towards a greater future not pulling apart potentially to an unhappy end. Cliff Bowman