There is one BIG difference between CL and DAZ at the moment and has been for the last while, most specifically round about the time P5 was released. And that is: Finances. CL released P5 in a BIG hurry before it was fully developed, beta testing wasn't anywhere near ready, beta testers' opinions were ignored. Judy and other figures were not fully developed yet - but cash ran out, Kupa couldn't pay salaries and the product HAD to go out to allow the company to survive. I believe that CL was too ambitious with the level of new features, and development ate up too much time and resources. They could have left out the hair thing altogether for instance. They let their most devoted customers, the first adopters, do the beta testing. The SP releases were quite simply planned as patch fixes before product release, instead of being included in a finished, stable, fully developed product. (This is a very common practice particularly amongst small players on the PC scene - I worked with PC R&D for many years, saw this happen umpteen times) DAZ on the other hand has a rock solid financial base, premier status as content providers for P4 and considerable turnover for a fairly small amount of development. They can work quietly on their app as the Vicki/Mike etc stuff sells in bushels. And they have Anton on board!!! Also, CL's decision to choose RDNA to handle a lot of development of content for P5 didn't sit well with DAZ, of course..... I'm sure RDNA were in a completely different price range, so I can't say I'm very surprised at CL's decision though. And the EULA thing is not so much fun either. So one wonders - is the CL reputation after the P5 debacle so damaged that they lose their customer base - or will they survive? Will P5 sales be enough to tide them over? Will DAZ' new app kill Poser, even?? What a strange thought... but not impossible. It depends partly on the app's functionality and not least on the price. I betcha Platinum members will get it for $1.99! :] Fish