Well Fish, I think you have added good points. If you're right, that CL is badly out of cash, then I am happy to have upgraded to P5, even if it was a big effort for my poor finances. I think that the creators of Poser deserve our support in a bad moment. After all, they conceived and created Poser in the first place. Then, of course, CL will have to prove that they deserve our support. I think they're showing good commitment for the moment, with the patches (although I have to say, I'm one of the lucky ones who never had big problems with P5). As I wrote on my previous messages, I think that DAZ is terrific for professionality and marketing ability. I have no doubt that should they come up with an alternative to Poser, it'll be a great program, too. Jim: maybe it can really be all narrowed down to what you write about the EULA. After all, a big challenge can mean big gain for one, but also big risks for both. And while the perspective of victory may be tempting, the risks would be potentially lethal. So it's possible that before tht challenge starts, CL and DAZ meet again and find a common ground for an agreement. CL by smoothing out the EULA and significantly lowering the price for the face room, obtaining in change that DAZ either gives up the application project, or releases an application with some limits, not to become real competition for Poser. DAZ by "resizing" their application project, obtaining in change a much better price for the face room, a new EULA that gives them warranties, and saving a lot of money in R&D for the new app. Should this be the case, then perhaps they're already having meetings going on while we write on this thread. ;-) Or, they'll really go head to head for a big challenge. We'll see. I think that maybe just before the jump, they'll want to sit down at a table and see if they can come up with an agreement that can make a reasonable good for both.