I dont' want Daz to give up the application project, Orio. I would prefer compatibility with at least Poser 4-- I'm one of those with thousands of dollars of Poser 4 money. And about $15 invested in poser 5 just in case I ever open the box. And just in case Daz is listening, here's what I hope to find in the Daz application, when and if it ever becomes more than vapor. Stability-- goes without saying. Good quality renderer with an acceptable balance between complexity and speed. In other words I don't expect better rendering to be as fast as Poser 4, but I don't want it slower than Vue either. Or I will just make the decision to take Vue d'Esprit as my Poser renderer. Gradual-- not steep-- learning curve. That means excellent manual, video guides if necessary, not too much unknown territory at once. That's my chief complaint of Poser 5. Waaay too much and much of it is unstable. The hair and clothification are interesting but not necessary to me. Advanced working with Materials, radiosity, refractions, caustics, atmospherics, genuine undo and real lighting control are super important. Don't need all of them at once, want all of them eventually. Complete compatibility with all of the Millenium figures and their add-ons. Don't even think of putting out a new proggie if you expect me to buy all this cr@p again. You know, Cl could have had an influx of cash if they'd put out a 4.5 with more stability, add-on libraries, just a small bump up in the renderer-- possibly to include python improvements. I would have bought it. Shoot, I'd still buy it. But the clock's ticking. Any other software would have put out such an upgrade. I'm suspicious that CL can not fix the stability issues. Ever. Just one sight of that wretched Gui, made me sick. Not again, not this outdated, horribly unecessary-- does anyone actually use that toolbar??-- Unreadable Gui. I should send my $300 glasses bill to CL. One month at 1200by whatever and I was nearly blind. Emily