with a full cast of weasels...what can we expect next? the longest thread in poser history? wouldn't THAT be special? cl f'cked up in their strategy. they waited too long, then, promised too much before they could rationally deliver. as for jack's thread...well, hey, now...if any of us poser peons had posted a similar thread, here at our ever-so-caring renderosity....it would have been sent to the o.t. forum before your head could spin around 4 times, exorcist style....why did jack get special treatment...'cause he's from the bad old days. that gets deference. is p5 gonna bring poser into the "serious applications"..."professional applcations"? hell, no. check out some of the "real" modellers on the market.