CL may own the cr2 idea but they don't own the meshes that Daz has created so I don't see a problem, as Daz has probably already thought of that. I for one will dump CL in a heartbeat if Daz comes up with anything comparable, and it's their own fault for treating us the way they do. Nothing ticks me off more than a company with a smug attitude because they think you have no other options. That attitude may be what kills that company. Marque