I'm stupid, bear with me. Can you not import a posed vicki -for instance--as an obj and reimport her still posed? Still posed and dressed? Isn't that how Vue first worked? If I'm off the wall, just tell me and I won't be offended, I'm dumb as dirt in tech issues. The other question is-- did CL claim absolute rights to its file formats in Poser 4? That's the agreement Daz is working under. [Can they continue to ignore the clims of the P5 eula as long as they don't use P5? What good is it then?] Side issue, if this was going to end up in a long drawn out court case, and I were Daz, I would budget in compensatory payment to CL from the start. And if I were CL I would take it as it would insure the continued existence of Poser. Emily