When a critic does the thing, Is it to change the piece to market or tbt to the author. Now in my critiques I like tbt that's why chat is important. If I get to know a little about the person writing the piece, then perhaps I can offer market + tbt( to be true to the author) I'm trying to learn what the market conditions are, and where to hit while the iron is hot. Perhaps my goal is not just to be a writer, but an agent for those seeking to gain acceptance for their passion. I'm not quite sure how to do this, but in looking at the "Writer's Market for 2002" and having received the rejection slips in the past ah see ah see. Don't hate me for this revelation. My critiques aren't to dismay but to encourage, and I'm only looking for the best in the artist and the art. * and there I am dialyn, an 811 for you and eveyone else that has the stuff. Chuck keep it up. Let me do my thing and if you suddenly start seeing more interest in your writing don't feel bad. Writer's and Artists want their work to be seen and read, and accepted, just as a politician wants votes.