Since I started out very anti-Millie and have since decided to give her a chance, problem child or not. So I thought I'd pipe in and offer my 0.2 cents worth of observation. Prior to picking up Poser last June, I had no art, modeling or 3D experience. But I wanted to learn to do these kind of things, and Poser seemed like a good place to start. The human models were not that bad but the hair - oh my my that horrible plastic looking hair. Also, at that time, most of the renders I had seen of Posset and BoyDork had that plastic look about them. But then a kind of magic happened. Folks like Traveler, Allerleirauh, Paul Hafeli, and many many others, went to work on fixing and improving these problem areas. Now it is not uncommon to see images of the Possete (and even on lesser occasion the Dork) looking picture perfect real. Even more remarkable, somehow this ability (and knowledge) was passed on to others - even hacks like me - who manage from time to time to duplicate the effect and turn out an image not half bad. For all her flaws - and in spite of my complains with her - I bought Vickie because I believe that one way or another the talent folks here would make her "be" whatever it is that we need her to "be" for the sake of art. Rob