OK I agree Dog Shyte is dog shyte Dont know if we are getting off the point my view is dependant on what you mean by heavily manipulated. I agree also about not questioning the validity of it being art. I have my friend who can do just about anything in a darkroom so thats another Chestnut people are very inventive and creative you would not call that type of manipulation digital photographic art. I go back to the point about being in camera. The term Slynky used for other creative use of digital effects seems to me to be a perfect one Digital Photographic Art.

Danny O'Byrne  http://www.digitalartzone.co.uk/

"All the technique in the world doesn't compensate for the inability to notice" Eliott Erwitt