This is a poser forum, and if there is an unwritten rule that only nice things can be said about a company/product I think it's time for me to leave as well, for I must also be on the verge at least 50% of the time. CL has not been completely up front with us, and I did not like feeling like a donkey with a carrot on a stick in front of it to get me to buy their product. They are doing a better job of cleanup and repair, but the bad taste is still in a lot of people's mouths. It's going to take some time to get back the trust of myself and others, and to protect them by banning or deriding people for stating their opinion is wrong. I love the internet with it's worldwide views, but I live in the U.S. and as far as I know we still have freedom of speech here. Artist3D was voicing his opinion and was attacked. I wonder if the people who attacked him, a person, not a company, were warned of an impending ban. Take care Renderosity that you don't become trapped in the CL treacle and forget that you are also supported by users here. Marque