FyreSpiryt: I agree almost completely, with the one exception that the members of a small company can feel just as slighted if you attack the company as if you pick them out individually (ditto if someone feels that a product is the labour of much work of theirs they can feel slighted if it's attacked as a "piece of carp" or somesuch). Otherwise yes, everything else you say echoes my feelings. There's no reason for slighting anyone, or indeed any attacks at all - P5 has sufficient flaws for mere reporting of them tobe bad enough :( Marque: Aside from adding that IMHO it's wrong to protect either side of an "argument" (situation, whatever) by deriding the other, I agree. That has indeed been my issue with Artist3D - not what his initial issues with the program and company, but the apparent conspiracy-theory reaction to anyone having a different POV. God knows I've seen too many anti-Poser 5 posts which were bang on without resorting to anything but demonstrable (and repeatable) problems with the program :( I may have missed something, but AFAIK any "attacks" of anything like the strength of artist3D's posts have been offline? Or did I miss something? (probably). Cheers, Cliff Bowman (who probably OUGHT to just quit responding to people who appear to be 95% in agreement with him on this kind of issue).