Morph: good on ya, but I wouldn't worry about opening old wounds - we can do that ourselves (and do!) from time to time anyway. IMHO the main thing is to be able to handle the response to what you type - and from what I've seen I wish I was as good at handling response to my thoughts so well and clearly :( MadYuri : I strongly suspect there'll be 2issues2 down the line somewhere, but by all that's holy I wish we had more of your cinema8 pre-release experiences with retail-release software :( It's nice to hear occasionally of a company that does the job "properly" - anyth job (from writing software to shipping cheap DVD movies - aniother story). Whilst I still think CL need their heads bashing together while we chant "thou...shall..not...release...software...this...unfinsihed...EVER...AGAIN!" I hope people are sending in "Good job, seems to work well" notes to Maxon. Cliff Bowman, cheered to end on a high note!