hi, thanks for the input and comments. sorry for not putting up more info...was in sleep mode when i uploaded...must have dozed of...lol shot on illford hp5+ 125 with canon eos300 28-90 lens (at 90) using auto settings...(working up to going manual...slowly) scanned from print...cropped and resized, added a little grain then duotoned using black and pantone292 cvc. @danob...i think you may be correct about the horizon...will try with grids again...thanks the photo was taken on a beach near penzance in cornwall uk...these guys were learning to surf...part of a larger group of 6-8 guys/gals there

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