I'm going to glue feathers onto myself, sit on a perch and pretend I'm a parrot. I agree with Ironbear... again. (as well as several other people) There's a plethora (cool word huh?) of posts in the Poser forum that have got squat to do with "Poser learning" absolutely bugger all to do with learning of any kind least of all Poser. They aren't moved. Hey, there's even some in there that have nothing to do with Poser even. Yet they stayed. So, Spike, a word of advice you won't heed and will probably ignore anyway. Cut the bullshit will you? Or find a different tune to play because you're looking pretty dippy up there with those comments. Alternatively you COULD go through poser forum and remove ALL the NON LEARNING threads. Should make the place much easier to navigate. After all, with most of the non-learning threads gone, the place will be virtually empty. Non learning my ass. Selective deletion and transfer is what it is. "Oh, don't like that, dump it in OT". Just like it used to be a while back when it was "Don't like that, dump it in C&D" Sheesh.