Sorry Jeff. This was my problem too! I agree FyreSpiryt. My next question is why was it moved in the first place when there are so many other "off topic" threads that are allowed to flourish in the Poser forum. Consistency would be nice! It seems that anything negative about poser is washed from main view. Its hard to come up with another explanation when other threads are left alone. This was a poser topic as much as non CL content for poser is a poser topic. Kendra, how's your P5 working now?