I think it was just two issues ago, but 3D World had a tutorial / article using Electric Image with 3D Toolbox - they were using grime maps and such. I think also the new Max 5 has this new feature, they call this texturing process, but I am not sure "texture baking." I installed EI and the 3D ToolBox off the 3D World CD and fetched my password from their site, but unfortunitly the demo does not like my graphics card and will not set up the Open GL. sigh :-[ I have never heard of Pandromeda, nor Symbiot's Darktree...this I will be checking out - this is wonderful stuff EricofSD... thank you very much for your time (always more valuable than money) and your research. :-)